Getting Carried Away – Punishment Psychosis

       Getting Carried Away – Punishment Psychosis

 

          I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: these mass shooters are punishing their victims.

 

          It’s NOT a new thing, and it’s not remotely anything different than what we all do, what we all approve of, violence as a response to things we don’t like.

 

          They learned it at home.

 

          We all agree with their basic premise: we should hurt people who do stuff we don’t like.

 

          Because that’s supposed to straighten them out, as if our punishing stimulus is the only stimulus, as if nothing else in the world has any bearing on what people do, as if we’re all living in one of Skinner’s boxes. Manson, Brevik, probably all of these idiots, they have such an unconscious, un-formed idea of what they’re doing – those two apparently thought the spark of their violence would ignite the whole world in race violence – that it betrays a kind of blindness, a sort of blind faith in the power of violent punishment, that all they thought they had to do was begin and some sort of chain reaction was going to start the race war that cures the world of whatever they don’t like. This seems to be the fantasy of the mass shooters, one violent act of punishment and the world is changed. This is perhaps what may be referred to as Punishment Psychosis, when this fantasy takes over your life.

 

          I repeat: we agree with this idea. Punishing what we don’t like is supposed to change the world for the better.

 

          Yes it is, and we agree! Well – YOU do. I’ve seen through it, I’m working that poisoned insane logic out of my system, but trust me, I spend a lot of time online and in person fighting what I have determined to be a terrible scourge, the practices of punishing. Almost no-one doesn’t think we shouldn’t hurt people to make them do what we want; in positive wording, almost EVERYONE thinks hurting people to make them do what you want is the way to live.

 

          It’s not. It’s really, really not, and we’d all agree if the only example is these mass shooters, but we’re corrupted. We get our own payoffs, we get things to go our own way in this system, so we can’t or won’t admit the connection when we see the obvious logical extreme versions of it in the news. Repeat: obvious. Really, really obvious that murder is nearly always a punishment, yet somehow that fact is irrelevant, and I find myself baffled, echoing the Aboriginal view of the environment.

 

          How are basic truths somehow irrelevant?

 

          How is it that the basic, obvious motive for the mass shooters – punishment – somehow not a part of our attempt to solve the issue? It’s because punishment is ubiquitous, invisible. It’s something we do, actively, it’s not something that happens by itself, yet we can’t factor it in to anything, we can’t imagine it as an option, we can’t imagine taking it out of our equations as a factor.

 

          OK, look. I know you see this as quixotic and stupid, I know the point I’m making looks like this: people get poisoned, and poison one another, and that’s all because we all eat. If we didn’t eat, we couldn’t be poisoned, what’s the point? You gotta eat. If that seems a good objection to you, I respectfully submit that you’ve given the game away, suggest that you have maybe just proved my point, if you can equate punishing with eating: you think punishment is like food, we can’t live without it.

 

          That’s just not true, despite that we all think it.

 

          My wife and I raised our kids without using punishment once, and my girls did not grow up wild and amoral. They are moral and brilliant, and if they do anything wrong, it’s never anything punitive or violent. Because that’s just crazy when it’s supposed to be for a good reason, let alone when it goes pear-shaped.

 

          My model, my hypothesis predicts this: that this phenomenon, angry mass shooters, is not going to change and it’s not going to end, because the prime driver, punishment, has something like Diplomatic Immunity. It isn’t going to improve because of ideas about gun control, because in the Punishment Culture, or the Punishment Cult, the tools of violence are held on the ‘solutions’ side of the ledger. If we could change that, then real change could be possible. But until we do change that, this thing isn’t going away.

 

 

          Because the basic thing happening there? You LIKE it.

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Comments (14)

  1. belladora

    Is it possible because the shooters are usually white males that it is related to that segment of the population that for years was called “the angry white male.”. I am reading a book on the Angry White Male. They are still alive and well and thriving. Just my humble opinion.

    August 26, 2015
    1. Neighsayer

      anger is a prerequisite as well, but the belief in punishing is what translates anger to violence . . .

      August 26, 2015
    2. Neighsayer

      Hell, the belief in punishing translates to violence when we’re not angry.

      August 26, 2015
  2. killingtime

    It’s NOT a new thing, and it’s not remotely anything different than what we all do, what we all approve of, violence as a response to things we don’t like. They learned it at home.
    .
    No, if they learned it at home they would spank them with a belt. It’s a lot more likely that they learned it from TV where they shoot people all the time. Maybe we should ban TV. Of course if we REALLY wanted to cut down on deaths we should ban cars. More people die from cars in a week than are shot in a 2 year period. (wink)
    Glad to see your still around Neighsayer.

    August 26, 2015
    1. Neighsayer

      you too, kt. Continuity is nice online, makes it seem a little less pointless, right?

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      I’m not saying they learn how at home, I’m saying they learn what – hurting people who do stuff you don’t like – at home.

      August 27, 2015
      1. killingtime

        Oh I get what your saying. And I’m sure that your right to a small degree. On the other hand some that were never punished also choose to do the same thing.

        August 27, 2015
        1. Neighsayer

          like who?

          never mind. Cheers.

          August 27, 2015
          1. killingtime

            Neighsayer a certain percentage of our population is borderline nuts. Anything could & often does set them off. Honestly if I wanted to point a finger at what sets off chains of shootings I would point directly at the media. They make the shooter practically famous. For that 1 or 2 days he is famous. To me, there’s your trigger puller. It makes those on the edge slide over it. Of course that’s an opinion.

            August 27, 2015
            1. Neighsayer

              reasons why these shooters punish people, not really a direct yay or nay about the fact that they are punishing them. Reasons are proof that it’s a punishing mentality, that’s partly why it’s obvious, or should be. “Because they did THIS” – that’s a punishment when you say that. Again, all stupid and pointless if we think punishing is built in, correct and unavoidable, and I’m sure that’s what people see reading this . . .

              August 27, 2015
            2. Neighsayer

              plus, I really think that it does want a name like I’m trying on here. It is some bizarre delusion that these folks do these rampages as though they thought they were changing the world, changing anything in the world, by doing what they do, like they think a few random shootings means anything in the big wide world.

              August 27, 2015
  3. walrusofshoel

    Pain, punishment, and killing others to keep them in line. Will always reign king on this earth today, and it is no mystery to me why. As long as we believe we are all sinners, born of a fallen nature, unworthy of the love of heaven on our own. Then punishment, will always be the only way, we know to help our fellow man today. What I can’t see, is if this is all the respect we have for human life, putting others down into shame, guilt, and misery, through our own self-righteousness.
    .
    Then, believe we are all sinners also. Then just why should anyone, give a shit about anyone else anyways, and this is why. Crime, and punishment, rules this earth today. This way, we can all feel better about ourselves today, in this sick society, we must live and obey within our hearts today.
    -—————-THE EGGMAN——————————-

    September 09, 2015
    1. Neighsayer

      we agree on the situation, the cyclic nature of it, just not on which is causing which, it’s a chicken and egg thing . . .

      September 09, 2015
      1. walrusofshoel

        I just can’t explain why, we all feel the need, to disrespect the gift we were given with our humanity so freely, to contol our fellow man today.
        -————-THE EGGMAN————————————-

        September 09, 2015
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    January 02, 2017